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		<title>By: andy</title>
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		<dc:creator>andy</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 17 Mar 2008 06:05:30 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>If they get a better targeted â€œcrowdâ€ to their Web site by that means, it might improve the conversion rate, but the potential of improving the copywriting by testing is left out almost completely. Corporate culture is one part of the problem.&lt;div class="comment-remix-meta"&gt;&lt;a href="#" class="replyto" onclick="replyto('40563','andy'); return false;"&gt;Reply&lt;/a&gt;  &lt;a href="#" class="quote" onclick="quote('40563','andy','If they get a better targeted &#195;&#162;&#226;&#172;&#197;crowd&#195;&#162;&#226;&#172;&#194; to their Web site by that means, it might improve the conversion rate, but the potential of improving the copywriting by testing is left out almost completely. Corporate culture is one part of the problem.'); return false;"&gt;Quote&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/div&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>If they get a better targeted â€œcrowdâ€ to their Web site by that means, it might improve the conversion rate, but the potential of improving the copywriting by testing is left out almost completely. Corporate culture is one part of the problem.
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		<title>By: Ciara</title>
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		<dc:creator>Ciara</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 05 Oct 2007 16:55:26 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Sounds like an equation worth trying.&lt;div class="comment-remix-meta"&gt;&lt;a href="#" class="replyto" onclick="replyto('39196','Ciara'); return false;"&gt;Reply&lt;/a&gt;  &lt;a href="#" class="quote" onclick="quote('39196','Ciara','Sounds like an equation worth trying.'); return false;"&gt;Quote&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/div&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Sounds like an equation worth trying.
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		<title>By: Fear as a Factor in Marketing/Advertising &#124; Virtual Impax</title>
		<link>http://www.michelfortin.com/copywriting-the-8020-way/#comment-39181</link>
		<dc:creator>Fear as a Factor in Marketing/Advertising &#124; Virtual Impax</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 03 Oct 2007 14:33:59 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] your product or services (marketing) is all about making mistakes.&#160; (Read Michel Fortin&#39;s Copywriting the 80/20 Way for an interesting take on this idea.)&#160; As a matter of fact, failure to some degree is to be [...]&lt;div class="comment-remix-meta"&gt;&lt;a href="#" class="replyto" onclick="replyto('39181','Fear as a Factor in Marketing\/Advertising &#124; Virtual Impax'); return false;"&gt;Reply&lt;/a&gt;  &lt;a href="#" class="quote" onclick="quote('39181','Fear as a Factor in Marketing\/Advertising &#124; Virtual Impax','&#38;#91;...&#38;#93; your product or services (marketing) is all about making mistakes.&#38;nbsp; (Read Michel Fortin&#38;#39;s Copywriting the 80\/20 Way for an interesting take on this idea.)&#38;nbsp; As a matter of fact, failure to some degree is to be &#38;#91;...&#38;#93;'); return false;"&gt;Quote&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/div&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] your product or services (marketing) is all about making mistakes.&nbsp; (Read Michel Fortin&#39;s Copywriting the 80/20 Way for an interesting take on this idea.)&nbsp; As a matter of fact, failure to some degree is to be [...]
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		<title>By: Rebecca Dean</title>
		<link>http://www.michelfortin.com/copywriting-the-8020-way/#comment-39162</link>
		<dc:creator>Rebecca Dean</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 02 Oct 2007 04:29:42 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hi Ryan:

Great article (as usual).  Inspiring.  My "80%" is definitely spent crafting sales copy angles, when later test results will only send me back to the drawing board.  Thanks for reminding me to save the woman hours for what really counts- test results!

Hope you had a blast in Hawaii!

Rebecca&lt;div class="comment-remix-meta"&gt;&lt;a href="#" class="replyto" onclick="replyto('39162','Rebecca Dean'); return false;"&gt;Reply&lt;/a&gt;  &lt;a href="#" class="quote" onclick="quote('39162','Rebecca Dean','Hi Ryan:\r\n\r\nGreat article (as usual).  Inspiring.  My \&#34;80%\&#34; is definitely spent crafting sales copy angles, when later test results will only send me back to the drawing board.  Thanks for reminding me to save the woman hours for what really counts- test results!\r\n\r\nHope you had a blast in Hawaii!\r\n\r\nRebecca'); return false;"&gt;Quote&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/div&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hi Ryan:</p>
<p>Great article (as usual).  Inspiring.  My &#8220;80%&#8221; is definitely spent crafting sales copy angles, when later test results will only send me back to the drawing board.  Thanks for reminding me to save the woman hours for what really counts- test results!</p>
<p>Hope you had a blast in Hawaii!</p>
<p>Rebecca
<div class="comment-remix-meta"><a href="#" class="replyto" onclick="replyto('39162','Rebecca Dean'); return false;">Reply</a>  <a href="#" class="quote" onclick="quote('39162','Rebecca Dean','Hi Ryan:\r\n\r\nGreat article (as usual).  Inspiring.  My \&quot;80%\&quot; is definitely spent crafting sales copy angles, when later test results will only send me back to the drawing board.  Thanks for reminding me to save the woman hours for what really counts- test results!\r\n\r\nHope you had a blast in Hawaii!\r\n\r\nRebecca'); return false;">Quote</a></div>
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		<title>By: Copywriting 80/20 Rule</title>
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		<dc:creator>Copywriting 80/20 Rule</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 01 Oct 2007 18:57:02 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] Read more at Copywriting the 80/20 Way on Michel Fortin&#8217;s Blog [...]&lt;div class="comment-remix-meta"&gt;&lt;a href="#" class="replyto" onclick="replyto('39159','Copywriting 80\/20 Rule'); return false;"&gt;Reply&lt;/a&gt;  &lt;a href="#" class="quote" onclick="quote('39159','Copywriting 80\/20 Rule','&#38;#91;...&#38;#93; Read more at Copywriting the 80\/20 Way on Michel Fortin&#38;#8217;s Blog &#38;#91;...&#38;#93;'); return false;"&gt;Quote&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/div&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] Read more at Copywriting the 80/20 Way on Michel Fortin&#8217;s Blog [...]
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		<title>By: Tracey Dooley</title>
		<link>http://www.michelfortin.com/copywriting-the-8020-way/#comment-39157</link>
		<dc:creator>Tracey Dooley</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 01 Oct 2007 11:58:42 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>As a self-confessed perfectionist, I am going to take the '80/20' rule by the horns and apply it for more productivity and success â€“Â so thanks for posting this and the tip-off on Richard Kochâ€™s 'The 80/20 Principle'.&lt;div class="comment-remix-meta"&gt;&lt;a href="#" class="replyto" onclick="replyto('39157','Tracey Dooley'); return false;"&gt;Reply&lt;/a&gt;  &lt;a href="#" class="quote" onclick="quote('39157','Tracey Dooley','As a self-confessed perfectionist, I am going to take the \'80\/20\' rule by the horns and apply it for more productivity and success &#195;&#162;&#226;&#172;&#226;&#195;&#194;&#160;so thanks for posting this and the tip-off on Richard Koch&#195;&#162;&#226;&#172;&#226;&#162;s \'The 80\/20 Principle\'.'); return false;"&gt;Quote&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/div&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>As a self-confessed perfectionist, I am going to take the &#8216;80/20&#8242; rule by the horns and apply it for more productivity and success â€“Â so thanks for posting this and the tip-off on Richard Kochâ€™s &#8216;The 80/20 Principle&#8217;.
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		<title>By: Dave Wong</title>
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		<dc:creator>Dave Wong</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 01 Oct 2007 08:44:23 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hi Michel,
                    You do have great contents here and thanks for visiting my blog! I know you are one of the top copywriter in the internet marketing arena, it is my honour to have you visit my blog!

Regards
Dave Wong
http://www.SuccessEnroute.com&lt;div class="comment-remix-meta"&gt;&lt;a href="#" class="replyto" onclick="replyto('39155','Dave Wong'); return false;"&gt;Reply&lt;/a&gt;  &lt;a href="#" class="quote" onclick="quote('39155','Dave Wong','Hi Michel,\r\n                    You do have great contents here and thanks for visiting my blog! I know you are one of the top copywriter in the internet marketing arena, it is my honour to have you visit my blog!\r\n\r\nRegards\r\nDave Wong\r\nhttp:\/\/www.SuccessEnroute.com'); return false;"&gt;Quote&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/div&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hi Michel,<br />
                    You do have great contents here and thanks for visiting my blog! I know you are one of the top copywriter in the internet marketing arena, it is my honour to have you visit my blog!</p>
<p>Regards<br />
Dave Wong<br />
<a href="http://www.SuccessEnroute.com"></a><a href='http://www.SuccessEnroute.com'>http://www.SuccessEnroute.com</a>
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		<title>By: Ryan Healy</title>
		<link>http://www.michelfortin.com/copywriting-the-8020-way/#comment-39153</link>
		<dc:creator>Ryan Healy</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 28 Sep 2007 22:58:46 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Thank you for all the comments so far. Means a lot. I was traveling back from a trip to Hawaii, which is why I hadn't commented yet. I haven't had Internet access for a couple of days.

And James, I aim to find out the answers to your questions. ;-)&lt;div class="comment-remix-meta"&gt;&lt;a href="#" class="replyto" onclick="replyto('39153','Ryan Healy'); return false;"&gt;Reply&lt;/a&gt;  &lt;a href="#" class="quote" onclick="quote('39153','Ryan Healy','Thank you for all the comments so far. Means a lot. I was traveling back from a trip to Hawaii, which is why I hadn\'t commented yet. I haven\'t had Internet access for a couple of days.\r\n\r\nAnd James, I aim to find out the answers to your questions. ;-)'); return false;"&gt;Quote&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/div&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thank you for all the comments so far. Means a lot. I was traveling back from a trip to Hawaii, which is why I hadn&#8217;t commented yet. I haven&#8217;t had Internet access for a couple of days.</p>
<p>And James, I aim to find out the answers to your questions. <img src='http://www.michelfortin.com/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_wink.gif' alt=';-)' class='wp-smiley' /> <div class="comment-remix-meta"><a href="#" class="replyto" onclick="replyto('39153','Ryan Healy'); return false;">Reply</a>  <a href="#" class="quote" onclick="quote('39153','Ryan Healy','Thank you for all the comments so far. Means a lot. I was traveling back from a trip to Hawaii, which is why I hadn\'t commented yet. I haven\'t had Internet access for a couple of days.\r\n\r\nAnd James, I aim to find out the answers to your questions. ;-)'); return false;">Quote</a></div>
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		<title>By: John W. Furst</title>
		<link>http://www.michelfortin.com/copywriting-the-8020-way/#comment-39152</link>
		<dc:creator>John W. Furst</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 28 Sep 2007 22:44:25 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Thanks for this very readable article Ryan.

@Michel,
I have the feeling that large corporations are the sloppiest ones, when it comes to testing their sales messages on their Web sites. Especially, if "Internet" is not their core business. They rather spend big bucks $$$$ on "Web Design" agencies before the launch, launch it and forget it. If the sales are not high enough, they are likely to throw some extra money into all sorts of advertising channels. If they get a better targeted "crowd" to their Web site by that means, it might improve the conversion rate, but the potential of improving the copywriting by testing is left out almost completely. Corporate culture is one part of the problem. 

I have to confess that you "Americans" are ahead, when it comes to selling. You probably have heard the rather "old joke" about what a Japanese, a German, and an American guy would do  with a great product. I save your blog from this one. :-)

Have a nice weekend.&lt;div class="comment-remix-meta"&gt;&lt;a href="#" class="replyto" onclick="replyto('39152','John W. Furst'); return false;"&gt;Reply&lt;/a&gt;  &lt;a href="#" class="quote" onclick="quote('39152','John W. Furst','Thanks for this very readable article Ryan.\r\n\r\n@Michel,\r\nI have the feeling that large corporations are the sloppiest ones, when it comes to testing their sales messages on their Web sites. Especially, if \&#34;Internet\&#34; is not their core business. They rather spend big bucks $$$$ on \&#34;Web Design\&#34; agencies before the launch, launch it and forget it. If the sales are not high enough, they are likely to throw some extra money into all sorts of advertising channels. If they get a better targeted \&#34;crowd\&#34; to their Web site by that means, it might improve the conversion rate, but the potential of improving the copywriting by testing is left out almost completely. Corporate culture is one part of the problem. \r\n\r\nI have to confess that you \&#34;Americans\&#34; are ahead, when it comes to selling. You probably have heard the rather \&#34;old joke\&#34; about what a Japanese, a German, and an American guy would do  with a great product. I save your blog from this one. :-)\r\n\r\nHave a nice weekend.'); return false;"&gt;Quote&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/div&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thanks for this very readable article Ryan.</p>
<p>@Michel,<br />
I have the feeling that large corporations are the sloppiest ones, when it comes to testing their sales messages on their Web sites. Especially, if &#8220;Internet&#8221; is not their core business. They rather spend big bucks $$$$ on &#8220;Web Design&#8221; agencies before the launch, launch it and forget it. If the sales are not high enough, they are likely to throw some extra money into all sorts of advertising channels. If they get a better targeted &#8220;crowd&#8221; to their Web site by that means, it might improve the conversion rate, but the potential of improving the copywriting by testing is left out almost completely. Corporate culture is one part of the problem. </p>
<p>I have to confess that you &#8220;Americans&#8221; are ahead, when it comes to selling. You probably have heard the rather &#8220;old joke&#8221; about what a Japanese, a German, and an American guy would do  with a great product. I save your blog from this one. <img src='http://www.michelfortin.com/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':-)' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
<p>Have a nice weekend.
<div class="comment-remix-meta"><a href="#" class="replyto" onclick="replyto('39152','John W. Furst'); return false;">Reply</a>  <a href="#" class="quote" onclick="quote('39152','John W. Furst','Thanks for this very readable article Ryan.\r\n\r\n@Michel,\r\nI have the feeling that large corporations are the sloppiest ones, when it comes to testing their sales messages on their Web sites. Especially, if \&quot;Internet\&quot; is not their core business. They rather spend big bucks $$$$ on \&quot;Web Design\&quot; agencies before the launch, launch it and forget it. If the sales are not high enough, they are likely to throw some extra money into all sorts of advertising channels. If they get a better targeted \&quot;crowd\&quot; to their Web site by that means, it might improve the conversion rate, but the potential of improving the copywriting by testing is left out almost completely. Corporate culture is one part of the problem. \r\n\r\nI have to confess that you \&quot;Americans\&quot; are ahead, when it comes to selling. You probably have heard the rather \&quot;old joke\&quot; about what a Japanese, a German, and an American guy would do  with a great product. I save your blog from this one. :-)\r\n\r\nHave a nice weekend.'); return false;">Quote</a></div>
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		<title>By: Howard Tiano</title>
		<link>http://www.michelfortin.com/copywriting-the-8020-way/#comment-39149</link>
		<dc:creator>Howard Tiano</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 28 Sep 2007 03:17:05 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>To All,

I concur with everything written above, but I have two questions:

1. How do you know when you've hit 20% of how long it might take?

2. Does that mean we only have to pay 20% of the copywriter's fee? :)

I think Ryan may have invented "Bum Copywriting"!

Cheers,
Howard Tiano,
The "IM OutSourcerer"
http://www.OutsouceOuttakes.com&lt;div class="comment-remix-meta"&gt;&lt;a href="#" class="replyto" onclick="replyto('39149','Howard Tiano'); return false;"&gt;Reply&lt;/a&gt;  &lt;a href="#" class="quote" onclick="quote('39149','Howard Tiano','To All,\r\n\r\nI concur with everything written above, but I have two questions:\r\n\r\n1. How do you know when you\'ve hit 20% of how long it might take?\r\n\r\n2. Does that mean we only have to pay 20% of the copywriter\'s fee? :)\r\n\r\nI think Ryan may have invented \&#34;Bum Copywriting\&#34;!\r\n\r\nCheers,\r\nHoward Tiano,\r\nThe \&#34;IM OutSourcerer\&#34;\r\nhttp:\/\/www.OutsouceOuttakes.com'); return false;"&gt;Quote&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/div&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>To All,</p>
<p>I concur with everything written above, but I have two questions:</p>
<p>1. How do you know when you&#8217;ve hit 20% of how long it might take?</p>
<p>2. Does that mean we only have to pay 20% of the copywriter&#8217;s fee? <img src='http://www.michelfortin.com/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':)' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
<p>I think Ryan may have invented &#8220;Bum Copywriting&#8221;!</p>
<p>Cheers,<br />
Howard Tiano,<br />
The &#8220;IM OutSourcerer&#8221;<br />
<a href="http://www.OutsouceOuttakes.com"></a><a href='http://www.OutsouceOuttakes.com'>http://www.OutsouceOuttakes.com</a>
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		<title>By: Twenty Twenty</title>
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		<dc:creator>Twenty Twenty</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 28 Sep 2007 01:58:45 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Ryan,

Thank you.

The 80/20 rule is about every aspect of your life.

Every single aspect of your life.  Period.

Thank you for such a down to earth example and application.

I will share this article with my clients and my employee's.

Be well,

20/20 Ex - Hostage / Professional Visionary
formerly known as John Wingert
http://www.nlplive.com&lt;div class="comment-remix-meta"&gt;&lt;a href="#" class="replyto" onclick="replyto('39148','Twenty Twenty'); return false;"&gt;Reply&lt;/a&gt;  &lt;a href="#" class="quote" onclick="quote('39148','Twenty Twenty','Ryan,\r\n\r\nThank you.\r\n\r\nThe 80\/20 rule is about every aspect of your life.\r\n\r\nEvery single aspect of your life.  Period.\r\n\r\nThank you for such a down to earth example and application.\r\n\r\nI will share this article with my clients and my employee\'s.\r\n\r\nBe well,\r\n\r\n20\/20 Ex - Hostage \/ Professional Visionary\r\nformerly known as John Wingert\r\nhttp:\/\/www.nlplive.com'); return false;"&gt;Quote&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/div&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Ryan,</p>
<p>Thank you.</p>
<p>The 80/20 rule is about every aspect of your life.</p>
<p>Every single aspect of your life.  Period.</p>
<p>Thank you for such a down to earth example and application.</p>
<p>I will share this article with my clients and my employee&#8217;s.</p>
<p>Be well,</p>
<p>20/20 Ex - Hostage / Professional Visionary<br />
formerly known as John Wingert<br />
<a href="http://www.nlplive.com"></a><a href='http://www.nlplive.com'>http://www.nlplive.com</a>
<div class="comment-remix-meta"><a href="#" class="replyto" onclick="replyto('39148','Twenty Twenty'); return false;">Reply</a>  <a href="#" class="quote" onclick="quote('39148','Twenty Twenty','Ryan,\r\n\r\nThank you.\r\n\r\nThe 80\/20 rule is about every aspect of your life.\r\n\r\nEvery single aspect of your life.  Period.\r\n\r\nThank you for such a down to earth example and application.\r\n\r\nI will share this article with my clients and my employee\'s.\r\n\r\nBe well,\r\n\r\n20\/20 Ex - Hostage \/ Professional Visionary\r\nformerly known as John Wingert\r\nhttp:\/\/www.nlplive.com'); return false;">Quote</a></div>
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		<title>By: Michel Fortin</title>
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		<dc:creator>Michel Fortin</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 27 Sep 2007 21:59:18 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>@Joseph and James:

I totally agree, 100%. Ryan's article is powerful in so many ways.

When I speak on copywriting at seminars, I tell people that, testing is not some added benefit or extra tool. Because, without testing, it's like letting non-buyers rob you blind. Here's how...

Say you wrote a salesletter pulling in a measly 1%. But you're happy because 1% gives you a decent income. Let's say that this salesletter produces $5,000 a month on average. Everything is honky-dory.

But, if you're like 99.9% of marketers out there who DON'T test, and if your salesletter has been "live" for a year (12 months), say, then every moment that goes by without testing is really LOSING you money.

For example, you do a test and discover that a change in the headline resulted in a 2% conversion. Again, nothing to sneeze at. But 2% is still DOUBLE the previous 1% rate.

Where's the problem? Most people will look at that and see that doubling their conversion rate in one test as a good thing. They're happy. And after a full year of NOT testing, and then seeing such a dramatic jump, they stop at that point. They think "doubling their conversion rate" is a good thing.

It is, but this is where I digress. Sure, it's "better late than never." But the real way to look at it is as 1% of your market "stealing" money from you and has been for over a year.

Take the above scenario: $5,000 a month equals to $60,000 for a year. You're not only making more money with testing. (As Ryan said, testing is not about making more money per se, it's about discovering what your market WANTS.)

But also, you've allowed your market to rob you of $60,000.

That's the kicker. Literally. They kick themselves when they fully realize how much money they left on the table all this time by not testing, or as Ryan said, by being a perfectionist.

Something to think about.&lt;div class="comment-remix-meta"&gt;&lt;a href="#" class="replyto" onclick="replyto('39142','Michel Fortin'); return false;"&gt;Reply&lt;/a&gt;  &lt;a href="#" class="quote" onclick="quote('39142','Michel Fortin','@Joseph and James:\r\n\r\nI totally agree, 100%. Ryan\'s article is powerful in so many ways.\r\n\r\nWhen I speak on copywriting at seminars, I tell people that, testing is not some added benefit or extra tool. Because, without testing, it\'s like letting non-buyers rob you blind. Here\'s how...\r\n\r\nSay you wrote a salesletter pulling in a measly 1%. But you\'re happy because 1% gives you a decent income. Let\'s say that this salesletter produces $5,000 a month on average. Everything is honky-dory.\r\n\r\nBut, if you\'re like 99.9% of marketers out there who DON\'T test, and if your salesletter has been \&#34;live\&#34; for a year (12 months), say, then every moment that goes by without testing is really LOSING you money.\r\n\r\nFor example, you do a test and discover that a change in the headline resulted in a 2% conversion. Again, nothing to sneeze at. But 2% is still DOUBLE the previous 1% rate.\r\n\r\nWhere\'s the problem? Most people will look at that and see that doubling their conversion rate in one test as a good thing. They\'re happy. And after a full year of NOT testing, and then seeing such a dramatic jump, they stop at that point. They think \&#34;doubling their conversion rate\&#34; is a good thing.\r\n\r\nIt is, but this is where I digress. Sure, it\'s \&#34;better late than never.\&#34; But the real way to look at it is as 1% of your market \&#34;stealing\&#34; money from you and has been for over a year.\r\n\r\nTake the above scenario: $5,000 a month equals to $60,000 for a year. You\'re not only making more money with testing. (As Ryan said, testing is not about making more money per se, it\'s about discovering what your market WANTS.)\r\n\r\nBut also, you\'ve allowed your market to rob you of $60,000.\r\n\r\nThat\'s the kicker. Literally. They kick themselves when they fully realize how much money they left on the table all this time by not testing, or as Ryan said, by being a perfectionist.\r\n\r\nSomething to think about.'); return false;"&gt;Quote&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/div&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@Joseph and James:</p>
<p>I totally agree, 100%. Ryan&#8217;s article is powerful in so many ways.</p>
<p>When I speak on copywriting at seminars, I tell people that, testing is not some added benefit or extra tool. Because, without testing, it&#8217;s like letting non-buyers rob you blind. Here&#8217;s how&#8230;</p>
<p>Say you wrote a salesletter pulling in a measly 1%. But you&#8217;re happy because 1% gives you a decent income. Let&#8217;s say that this salesletter produces $5,000 a month on average. Everything is honky-dory.</p>
<p>But, if you&#8217;re like 99.9% of marketers out there who DON&#8217;T test, and if your salesletter has been &#8220;live&#8221; for a year (12 months), say, then every moment that goes by without testing is really LOSING you money.</p>
<p>For example, you do a test and discover that a change in the headline resulted in a 2% conversion. Again, nothing to sneeze at. But 2% is still DOUBLE the previous 1% rate.</p>
<p>Where&#8217;s the problem? Most people will look at that and see that doubling their conversion rate in one test as a good thing. They&#8217;re happy. And after a full year of NOT testing, and then seeing such a dramatic jump, they stop at that point. They think &#8220;doubling their conversion rate&#8221; is a good thing.</p>
<p>It is, but this is where I digress. Sure, it&#8217;s &#8220;better late than never.&#8221; But the real way to look at it is as 1% of your market &#8220;stealing&#8221; money from you and has been for over a year.</p>
<p>Take the above scenario: $5,000 a month equals to $60,000 for a year. You&#8217;re not only making more money with testing. (As Ryan said, testing is not about making more money per se, it&#8217;s about discovering what your market WANTS.)</p>
<p>But also, you&#8217;ve allowed your market to rob you of $60,000.</p>
<p>That&#8217;s the kicker. Literally. They kick themselves when they fully realize how much money they left on the table all this time by not testing, or as Ryan said, by being a perfectionist.</p>
<p>Something to think about.
<div class="comment-remix-meta"><a href="#" class="replyto" onclick="replyto('39142','Michel Fortin'); return false;">Reply</a>  <a href="#" class="quote" onclick="quote('39142','Michel Fortin','@Joseph and James:\r\n\r\nI totally agree, 100%. Ryan\'s article is powerful in so many ways.\r\n\r\nWhen I speak on copywriting at seminars, I tell people that, testing is not some added benefit or extra tool. Because, without testing, it\'s like letting non-buyers rob you blind. Here\'s how...\r\n\r\nSay you wrote a salesletter pulling in a measly 1%. But you\'re happy because 1% gives you a decent income. Let\'s say that this salesletter produces $5,000 a month on average. Everything is honky-dory.\r\n\r\nBut, if you\'re like 99.9% of marketers out there who DON\'T test, and if your salesletter has been \&quot;live\&quot; for a year (12 months), say, then every moment that goes by without testing is really LOSING you money.\r\n\r\nFor example, you do a test and discover that a change in the headline resulted in a 2% conversion. Again, nothing to sneeze at. But 2% is still DOUBLE the previous 1% rate.\r\n\r\nWhere\'s the problem? Most people will look at that and see that doubling their conversion rate in one test as a good thing. They\'re happy. And after a full year of NOT testing, and then seeing such a dramatic jump, they stop at that point. They think \&quot;doubling their conversion rate\&quot; is a good thing.\r\n\r\nIt is, but this is where I digress. Sure, it\'s \&quot;better late than never.\&quot; But the real way to look at it is as 1% of your market \&quot;stealing\&quot; money from you and has been for over a year.\r\n\r\nTake the above scenario: $5,000 a month equals to $60,000 for a year. You\'re not only making more money with testing. (As Ryan said, testing is not about making more money per se, it\'s about discovering what your market WANTS.)\r\n\r\nBut also, you\'ve allowed your market to rob you of $60,000.\r\n\r\nThat\'s the kicker. Literally. They kick themselves when they fully realize how much money they left on the table all this time by not testing, or as Ryan said, by being a perfectionist.\r\n\r\nSomething to think about.'); return false;">Quote</a></div>
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		<title>By: Joseph Ratliff</title>
		<link>http://www.michelfortin.com/copywriting-the-8020-way/#comment-39141</link>
		<dc:creator>Joseph Ratliff</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 27 Sep 2007 21:05:46 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>James,

As a copywriter who over delivers for my clients...it is totally natural for me to "stick with my client" through testing a marketing piece or campaign.

On top of that...

If you were my client, and I educated you on the value of testing instead of perfecting a marketing campaign...and the results potential that comes with it...wouldn't you be more willing to "get something out there" and refine it as long as I stuck with you during the process? 

(which really requires less time and effort for a good copywriter than you might think)

Good discussion starter James.  I love this stuff.  :)&lt;div class="comment-remix-meta"&gt;&lt;a href="#" class="replyto" onclick="replyto('39141','Joseph Ratliff'); return false;"&gt;Reply&lt;/a&gt;  &lt;a href="#" class="quote" onclick="quote('39141','Joseph Ratliff','James,\r\n\r\nAs a copywriter who over delivers for my clients...it is totally natural for me to \&#34;stick with my client\&#34; through testing a marketing piece or campaign.\r\n\r\nOn top of that...\r\n\r\nIf you were my client, and I educated you on the value of testing instead of perfecting a marketing campaign...and the results potential that comes with it...wouldn\'t you be more willing to \&#34;get something out there\&#34; and refine it as long as I stuck with you during the process? \r\n\r\n(which really requires less time and effort for a good copywriter than you might think)\r\n\r\nGood discussion starter James.  I love this stuff.  :)'); return false;"&gt;Quote&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/div&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>James,</p>
<p>As a copywriter who over delivers for my clients&#8230;it is totally natural for me to &#8220;stick with my client&#8221; through testing a marketing piece or campaign.</p>
<p>On top of that&#8230;</p>
<p>If you were my client, and I educated you on the value of testing instead of perfecting a marketing campaign&#8230;and the results potential that comes with it&#8230;wouldn&#8217;t you be more willing to &#8220;get something out there&#8221; and refine it as long as I stuck with you during the process? </p>
<p>(which really requires less time and effort for a good copywriter than you might think)</p>
<p>Good discussion starter James.  I love this stuff.  <img src='http://www.michelfortin.com/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':)' class='wp-smiley' /> <div class="comment-remix-meta"><a href="#" class="replyto" onclick="replyto('39141','Joseph Ratliff'); return false;">Reply</a>  <a href="#" class="quote" onclick="quote('39141','Joseph Ratliff','James,\r\n\r\nAs a copywriter who over delivers for my clients...it is totally natural for me to \&quot;stick with my client\&quot; through testing a marketing piece or campaign.\r\n\r\nOn top of that...\r\n\r\nIf you were my client, and I educated you on the value of testing instead of perfecting a marketing campaign...and the results potential that comes with it...wouldn\'t you be more willing to \&quot;get something out there\&quot; and refine it as long as I stuck with you during the process? \r\n\r\n(which really requires less time and effort for a good copywriter than you might think)\r\n\r\nGood discussion starter James.  I love this stuff.  :)'); return false;">Quote</a></div>
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		<title>By: James D. Brausch</title>
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		<dc:creator>James D. Brausch</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 27 Sep 2007 20:43:12 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Nice article Ryan!

I completely agree.  We all need to spend a little more time optimizing according to the 80/20 rule.  Copywriting is a excellent place to start that process.

Get something 80% "complete" in 20% of the time and get it out there under test.  That will always be more efficient than striving for perfection (which is unattainable anyways).

I'll be interested to see the take of "copywriters for hire" though.  How many copywriters for hire would be willing to work like that with customers (ie: staying with the process through initial testing)?  How many customers would be willing to work with a copywriter for hire who admittedly didn't give it their 100% (their 80% instead) and instead are willing to let the testing process work out the kinks and help with that (meaning giving multiple versions of at least some of the copy)?

-James D. Brausch&lt;div class="comment-remix-meta"&gt;&lt;a href="#" class="replyto" onclick="replyto('39140','James D. Brausch'); return false;"&gt;Reply&lt;/a&gt;  &lt;a href="#" class="quote" onclick="quote('39140','James D. Brausch','Nice article Ryan!\r\n\r\nI completely agree.  We all need to spend a little more time optimizing according to the 80\/20 rule.  Copywriting is a excellent place to start that process.\r\n\r\nGet something 80% \&#34;complete\&#34; in 20% of the time and get it out there under test.  That will always be more efficient than striving for perfection (which is unattainable anyways).\r\n\r\nI\'ll be interested to see the take of \&#34;copywriters for hire\&#34; though.  How many copywriters for hire would be willing to work like that with customers (ie: staying with the process through initial testing)?  How many customers would be willing to work with a copywriter for hire who admittedly didn\'t give it their 100% (their 80% instead) and instead are willing to let the testing process work out the kinks and help with that (meaning giving multiple versions of at least some of the copy)?\r\n\r\n-James D. Brausch'); return false;"&gt;Quote&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/div&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Nice article Ryan!</p>
<p>I completely agree.  We all need to spend a little more time optimizing according to the 80/20 rule.  Copywriting is a excellent place to start that process.</p>
<p>Get something 80% &#8220;complete&#8221; in 20% of the time and get it out there under test.  That will always be more efficient than striving for perfection (which is unattainable anyways).</p>
<p>I&#8217;ll be interested to see the take of &#8220;copywriters for hire&#8221; though.  How many copywriters for hire would be willing to work like that with customers (ie: staying with the process through initial testing)?  How many customers would be willing to work with a copywriter for hire who admittedly didn&#8217;t give it their 100% (their 80% instead) and instead are willing to let the testing process work out the kinks and help with that (meaning giving multiple versions of at least some of the copy)?</p>
<p>-James D. Brausch
<div class="comment-remix-meta"><a href="#" class="replyto" onclick="replyto('39140','James D. Brausch'); return false;">Reply</a>  <a href="#" class="quote" onclick="quote('39140','James D. Brausch','Nice article Ryan!\r\n\r\nI completely agree.  We all need to spend a little more time optimizing according to the 80\/20 rule.  Copywriting is a excellent place to start that process.\r\n\r\nGet something 80% \&quot;complete\&quot; in 20% of the time and get it out there under test.  That will always be more efficient than striving for perfection (which is unattainable anyways).\r\n\r\nI\'ll be interested to see the take of \&quot;copywriters for hire\&quot; though.  How many copywriters for hire would be willing to work like that with customers (ie: staying with the process through initial testing)?  How many customers would be willing to work with a copywriter for hire who admittedly didn\'t give it their 100% (their 80% instead) and instead are willing to let the testing process work out the kinks and help with that (meaning giving multiple versions of at least some of the copy)?\r\n\r\n-James D. Brausch'); return false;">Quote</a></div>
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		<title>By: Joseph Ratliff</title>
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		<dc:creator>Joseph Ratliff</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 27 Sep 2007 20:40:40 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Ryan,

It is refreshing to see you are writing about ways to be more efficient in a copywriting business.

As you know, that resonates at a deep level with me.

I am going to track back this article.  Good job Ryan. :)

Joseph Ratliff
Author of The Profitable Business Edge 2&lt;div class="comment-remix-meta"&gt;&lt;a href="#" class="replyto" onclick="replyto('39139','Joseph Ratliff'); return false;"&gt;Reply&lt;/a&gt;  &lt;a href="#" class="quote" onclick="quote('39139','Joseph Ratliff','Ryan,\r\n\r\nIt is refreshing to see you are writing about ways to be more efficient in a copywriting business.\r\n\r\nAs you know, that resonates at a deep level with me.\r\n\r\nI am going to track back this article.  Good job Ryan. :)\r\n\r\nJoseph Ratliff\r\nAuthor of The Profitable Business Edge 2'); return false;"&gt;Quote&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/div&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Ryan,</p>
<p>It is refreshing to see you are writing about ways to be more efficient in a copywriting business.</p>
<p>As you know, that resonates at a deep level with me.</p>
<p>I am going to track back this article.  Good job Ryan. <img src='http://www.michelfortin.com/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':)' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
<p>Joseph Ratliff<br />
Author of The Profitable Business Edge 2
<div class="comment-remix-meta"><a href="#" class="replyto" onclick="replyto('39139','Joseph Ratliff'); return false;">Reply</a>  <a href="#" class="quote" onclick="quote('39139','Joseph Ratliff','Ryan,\r\n\r\nIt is refreshing to see you are writing about ways to be more efficient in a copywriting business.\r\n\r\nAs you know, that resonates at a deep level with me.\r\n\r\nI am going to track back this article.  Good job Ryan. :)\r\n\r\nJoseph Ratliff\r\nAuthor of The Profitable Business Edge 2'); return false;">Quote</a></div>
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